100% right. Maybe he is bitter but he’s still right. Once all the major labels go under hopefully this crap will end.
# 3 January 2013 at 2:04 am
lilrockable said:
Exactly, pop music is generic as hell today. It’s pretty much a musical form of “paint by numbers”. For example, look at all the awful dubstep djs appearing out of the blue releasing the same song as the predecessor. Oh we’ll, Niki Minaj, Skrillex, Katy Perry, and Bruno Mars have absolutely no legacy to fall back on so we should just let time run its course
# 3 January 2013 at 2:29 am
Butthead said:
Billy Corgan is 100% correct!!!
# 3 January 2013 at 2:31 am
NickG said:
I’d like to shake Corgan’s hand.
The one that’s all red and swollen looking.
# 3 January 2013 at 3:00 am
Tommy said:
Ain’t he with Jess from The Veronicas? And was with Jessica Simpson and Tila Tequila?
# 3 January 2013 at 3:16 am
patrick said:
i agree with billy corgan of smashing pumpkins band pop music is just music about porn and letting the corporation decide for you instead of making your own decision of how your music is made and it’s about getting rich with very little effort or creativity or talent and album covers with very little creative artwork and repetitive annoying sounds in music we only watch video to look at pretty girl not because your talented in fact your voice is untalented even female grunge singers of the fastbacks from seattle sing better than you
# 3 January 2013 at 3:22 am
RebelFighter101 said:
Sounds like it’s time for a Grunge rock revolution baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! Young bands step the fuck up now!!!! The world needs you….!!
# 3 January 2013 at 4:50 am
gamermwm said:
Very well said. At least pop in the 80′s and 90′s was about something. Now it’s ALL about sex, techno dance crap, or whatever can be played in the club
It has no heart, it has no soul – and in no way does it have any morals or heart whatsoever. Individualism has been pushed aside, gay and liberal agendas are being pushed everywhere, and shame on anyone who steps beyond the bounds of what is currently P.C.
The world thought Madonna was so “revolutionary” but the only legacy left behind was one of “who can now be the biggest slut” as each new female pop artist now doubles as a music video stripper. I love women but there is something sick in the head about our society
# 3 January 2013 at 6:22 am
Is he one? said:
I dare anyone around here denying what Billy said. Actually, no, don’t deny it. He’s just 100% right.
# 3 January 2013 at 7:54 am
Adam said:
I find this ironic for the man who wass fucking Jessica Simpson.
# 3 January 2013 at 8:22 am
nikhil1994 said:
@gamermwm well said.pop is porn pop is shit nowadays.
# 3 January 2013 at 8:40 am
enough said:
Billy hates pop music, billy hates his neighbors, billy hates his generation, billy hates other artists, billy has reissues, billy hates hair, billy hates hate. dont we have enough fucking hate in this world that it doesnt deserve a repost or attention? quit being little fan boy trolls and dont give attention to all the hate he is circulating. Its disgusting.
# 3 January 2013 at 11:37 am
Miff said:
Absolutely 100% correct. I thought he particularly hit the nail on the head with the comment about selling perfume. Back in the day, musicians used to promote their albums by touring, whereas these days the actual music itself is nothing more than a marketing commodity used to promote tours, merchandise and other endorsements. That’s the reason things have got to be so formulaic. Everyone is too afraid to steer away from what has proven to sell, or to attract people to products that they can buy. It’s a scary thought that in this day and age we are essentially entertained by nothing more than marketing.
It’s also a scary thought that it’s a possibility that this is all because of the internet, and things like illegal downloads. You have to wonder if things would have gone down this route of extreme streamlining and shameless substance-devoid crap if album sales were still up there enough to not have the major labels in such a panic to churn out the next flavour of the month hit.
And the worst thing about it all, is no matter how much the major labels bitch and moan, they STILL have the power to turn it all around.
# 3 January 2013 at 11:41 am
Is he one? said:
@enough
Care to give some attention to the actual topic? It’s not all negative you know.
# 3 January 2013 at 11:51 am
GwynnKatie said:
Miff said:
“It’s also a scary thought that it’s a possibility that this is all because of the internet, and things like illegal downloads. You have to wonder if things would have gone down this route of extreme streamlining and shameless substance-devoid crap if album sales were still up there enough to not have the major labels in such a panic to churn out the next flavour of the month hit.”
Needed to be said again.
# 3 January 2013 at 1:13 pm
Raj said:
It will all fade eventually, music always goes through cycles. Eventually, people will tire of it and ask for something else. Rock never dies, it’s just in a down cycle.
In 50 years, people will still be talking about Nirvana and the other bands from Seattle because their music is timeless. No one will remember Britney Spears or Justin Bieber. There is no Backstreet Boys or N*SYNC anymore. There are imitators but they too will disappear.
# 3 January 2013 at 1:34 pm
Is he one? said:
Here’s to hoping that Raj is right.
Nobody forgot about Micheal Jackson for instance…
# 3 January 2013 at 1:41 pm
Miff said:
I don’t think it’s a question of whether or not people will remember bands from the 90s Seattle scene in 50 years, I’m sure they will, but the problem is whether or not people will remember any real, non-manufactured bands that are breaking through NOW. Regardless of our personal tastes, people will remember Britney Spears and Justin Bieber because they are essentially the embodiment of pop culture of their respective times, as was “grunge”. But with major labels throwing all their marketing might at things which will instantly appeal to the most amount of people (which unfortunately in the vast majority of cases is the lowest common denominator, throwaway stuff that Billy Corgan is talking about above), it’s frightening to think that the cycle may be very much disrupted. As a (struggling) musician myself, as I’d imagine many people who visit this site are, quite frankly it’s terrifying.
# 3 January 2013 at 2:01 pm
Butthead said:
Raj is completly correct. Nobody is going to remember bands like Linkin Park or Green Day 10 years from now. But grunge acts like Nirvana and Pearl Jam will be remember because they made music that was timeless and can be considered classic.
# 3 January 2013 at 3:57 pm
Alternadude said:
Green Day will sadly be remembered tho…
# 3 January 2013 at 7:01 pm
Allura Music said:
wow, this coming from the douchebag who has dated a good number of many of “those pop stars”. What a complete hypocrite!
# 3 January 2013 at 8:22 pm
Butthead said:
@AlluraMusic, he only dated Jeesica Simpson, and said that Britney Spears is attractive, but who doesn’t???
# 3 January 2013 at 8:29 pm
sitin said:
“…gay and liberal agendas are being pushed everywhere,”
Way to politicize something that has nothing to do with that. But since you’re doing it, you’re right ‘gamermwm’, the alternative rock explosion of the early 90′s was all about anti-gay, conservative agendas being pushed everywhere. That’s what really moved things forward musically. Great call dude.
# 3 January 2013 at 9:17 pm
Jon Reremy said:
Pop is indeed like porn: you use for five maybe ten minutes, finish, feel a little dirty, forget about it, then use it again later
# 4 January 2013 at 12:34 am
gamermwm said:
@ sitin:
Don’t get me wrong, and try to make my statement political. I’m not saying I agreed with anything “political” that happened in the 90′s through said agendas, I’m just saying I liked the music. Much in the same way that I would love and treat someone well who’s lifestyle I was not spiritually in agreement with. I might like them, I may like their music but it doesn’t mean that I agree with much of anything that they stand for.
For instance, I grew up idolizing Kurt Cobain as a teenager and heard stories about how he was the “king of compassion” and very humble and nice to people and wouldn’t even let the bellboy carry any of his stuff. I respect that. But now that I’m approaching my 30′s, I look back at at him and realize just how immature and childish he was in as many ways. I don’t have to agree with anyone to like their music or respect them personally
# 4 January 2013 at 2:00 am
Shadows Collide with People said:
@Butthead
People will still remember Green Day 10 years from now. Dookie is a classic album and they also have written a number of good songs.
A lot of musicians today have lost there artistic ability. Reality TV shows like American Idol and X Factor have completely ruined the music industry and all the “so called” artists that try and make it through those pathways. Being a successful musician in my opinion has nothing to do with image, good looks or likability. There is way too much rock star cliche-diva bull shit out there. Great music comes from within and should only be written for yourself and no one else. If it sells, great but if it does not, then who fucking cares. Creating music should never be about fortune and fame but unfortunately it has turned out that way. Music should always be about expressing yourself by allowing yourself to release your emotions through sound or voice.
# 4 January 2013 at 2:50 am
Undecided said:
Shadows collide with people you are hitting the nail right on the head!
Music is about what comes within you not what is polished on the outside.
The reality shows truly do ruin true musicianship as about 5 percent of the winners can actually write music themselves!
I hate reality TV.
# 4 January 2013 at 3:35 am
Grungecaster1 said:
Todays pop music is the result of rock bands who decided they had enough of the rebellious aspects and decided to go mainstream , then sell out and break up. If only we could build a time machine and bring back Kurt Cobain and Andy Wood, im sure they would be disgusted by how far rock n roll music has come! Maybe wake up todays rock bands with some inspiration and then kick out the grunge again
# 4 January 2013 at 5:08 am
NickG said:
Are you guys just waiting on a “rock revolution”? I hope you realize we all have to make this happen, you can’t just wait on some record label or industry insider to be like, “Okay, it’s time.” Those new bands you’re looking for are out there; find the ones you like and support the hell out of them. Don’t just wait for someone to tell you who to listen to.
# 4 January 2013 at 10:57 am
Lennart said:
NickG is right on the money. And for once i completely agree with Billy, he may appear as a huge douchebag at times, but the guy has brains and isn’t afraid to share his opinion.
# 4 January 2013 at 2:39 pm
Butthead said:
@Shadows Collide with People
Green Day are nothing more than 40 year old sell-outs that decided they wanted to have a big clothing line in Hot Topic, so they released American Idiot to appease to the teenybopper crowd.
100% right. Maybe he is bitter but he’s still right. Once all the major labels go under hopefully this crap will end.
Exactly, pop music is generic as hell today. It’s pretty much a musical form of “paint by numbers”. For example, look at all the awful dubstep djs appearing out of the blue releasing the same song as the predecessor. Oh we’ll, Niki Minaj, Skrillex, Katy Perry, and Bruno Mars have absolutely no legacy to fall back on so we should just let time run its course
Billy Corgan is 100% correct!!!
I’d like to shake Corgan’s hand.
The one that’s all red and swollen looking.
Ain’t he with Jess from The Veronicas? And was with Jessica Simpson and Tila Tequila?
i agree with billy corgan of smashing pumpkins band pop music is just music about porn and letting the corporation decide for you instead of making your own decision of how your music is made and it’s about getting rich with very little effort or creativity or talent and album covers with very little creative artwork and repetitive annoying sounds in music we only watch video to look at pretty girl not because your talented in fact your voice is untalented even female grunge singers of the fastbacks from seattle sing better than you
Sounds like it’s time for a Grunge rock revolution baby!!!!!!!!!!!!! Young bands step the fuck up now!!!! The world needs you….!!
Very well said. At least pop in the 80′s and 90′s was about something. Now it’s ALL about sex, techno dance crap, or whatever can be played in the club
It has no heart, it has no soul – and in no way does it have any morals or heart whatsoever. Individualism has been pushed aside, gay and liberal agendas are being pushed everywhere, and shame on anyone who steps beyond the bounds of what is currently P.C.
The world thought Madonna was so “revolutionary” but the only legacy left behind was one of “who can now be the biggest slut” as each new female pop artist now doubles as a music video stripper. I love women but there is something sick in the head about our society
I dare anyone around here denying what Billy said. Actually, no, don’t deny it. He’s just 100% right.
I find this ironic for the man who wass fucking Jessica Simpson.
@gamermwm well said.pop is porn pop is shit nowadays.
Billy hates pop music, billy hates his neighbors, billy hates his generation, billy hates other artists, billy has reissues, billy hates hair, billy hates hate. dont we have enough fucking hate in this world that it doesnt deserve a repost or attention? quit being little fan boy trolls and dont give attention to all the hate he is circulating. Its disgusting.
Absolutely 100% correct. I thought he particularly hit the nail on the head with the comment about selling perfume. Back in the day, musicians used to promote their albums by touring, whereas these days the actual music itself is nothing more than a marketing commodity used to promote tours, merchandise and other endorsements. That’s the reason things have got to be so formulaic. Everyone is too afraid to steer away from what has proven to sell, or to attract people to products that they can buy. It’s a scary thought that in this day and age we are essentially entertained by nothing more than marketing.
It’s also a scary thought that it’s a possibility that this is all because of the internet, and things like illegal downloads. You have to wonder if things would have gone down this route of extreme streamlining and shameless substance-devoid crap if album sales were still up there enough to not have the major labels in such a panic to churn out the next flavour of the month hit.
And the worst thing about it all, is no matter how much the major labels bitch and moan, they STILL have the power to turn it all around.
@enough
Care to give some attention to the actual topic? It’s not all negative you know.
Miff said:
“It’s also a scary thought that it’s a possibility that this is all because of the internet, and things like illegal downloads. You have to wonder if things would have gone down this route of extreme streamlining and shameless substance-devoid crap if album sales were still up there enough to not have the major labels in such a panic to churn out the next flavour of the month hit.”
Needed to be said again.
It will all fade eventually, music always goes through cycles. Eventually, people will tire of it and ask for something else. Rock never dies, it’s just in a down cycle.
In 50 years, people will still be talking about Nirvana and the other bands from Seattle because their music is timeless. No one will remember Britney Spears or Justin Bieber. There is no Backstreet Boys or N*SYNC anymore. There are imitators but they too will disappear.
Here’s to hoping that Raj is right.
Nobody forgot about Micheal Jackson for instance…
I don’t think it’s a question of whether or not people will remember bands from the 90s Seattle scene in 50 years, I’m sure they will, but the problem is whether or not people will remember any real, non-manufactured bands that are breaking through NOW. Regardless of our personal tastes, people will remember Britney Spears and Justin Bieber because they are essentially the embodiment of pop culture of their respective times, as was “grunge”. But with major labels throwing all their marketing might at things which will instantly appeal to the most amount of people (which unfortunately in the vast majority of cases is the lowest common denominator, throwaway stuff that Billy Corgan is talking about above), it’s frightening to think that the cycle may be very much disrupted. As a (struggling) musician myself, as I’d imagine many people who visit this site are, quite frankly it’s terrifying.
Raj is completly correct. Nobody is going to remember bands like Linkin Park or Green Day 10 years from now. But grunge acts like Nirvana and Pearl Jam will be remember because they made music that was timeless and can be considered classic.
Green Day will sadly be remembered tho…
wow, this coming from the douchebag who has dated a good number of many of “those pop stars”. What a complete hypocrite!
@AlluraMusic, he only dated Jeesica Simpson, and said that Britney Spears is attractive, but who doesn’t???
“…gay and liberal agendas are being pushed everywhere,”
Way to politicize something that has nothing to do with that. But since you’re doing it, you’re right ‘gamermwm’, the alternative rock explosion of the early 90′s was all about anti-gay, conservative agendas being pushed everywhere. That’s what really moved things forward musically. Great call dude.
Pop is indeed like porn: you use for five maybe ten minutes, finish, feel a little dirty, forget about it, then use it again later
@ sitin:
Don’t get me wrong, and try to make my statement political. I’m not saying I agreed with anything “political” that happened in the 90′s through said agendas, I’m just saying I liked the music. Much in the same way that I would love and treat someone well who’s lifestyle I was not spiritually in agreement with. I might like them, I may like their music but it doesn’t mean that I agree with much of anything that they stand for.
For instance, I grew up idolizing Kurt Cobain as a teenager and heard stories about how he was the “king of compassion” and very humble and nice to people and wouldn’t even let the bellboy carry any of his stuff. I respect that. But now that I’m approaching my 30′s, I look back at at him and realize just how immature and childish he was in as many ways. I don’t have to agree with anyone to like their music or respect them personally
@Butthead
People will still remember Green Day 10 years from now. Dookie is a classic album and they also have written a number of good songs.
A lot of musicians today have lost there artistic ability. Reality TV shows like American Idol and X Factor have completely ruined the music industry and all the “so called” artists that try and make it through those pathways. Being a successful musician in my opinion has nothing to do with image, good looks or likability. There is way too much rock star cliche-diva bull shit out there. Great music comes from within and should only be written for yourself and no one else. If it sells, great but if it does not, then who fucking cares. Creating music should never be about fortune and fame but unfortunately it has turned out that way. Music should always be about expressing yourself by allowing yourself to release your emotions through sound or voice.
Shadows collide with people you are hitting the nail right on the head!
Music is about what comes within you not what is polished on the outside.
The reality shows truly do ruin true musicianship as about 5 percent of the winners can actually write music themselves!
I hate reality TV.
Todays pop music is the result of rock bands who decided they had enough of the rebellious aspects and decided to go mainstream , then sell out and break up. If only we could build a time machine and bring back Kurt Cobain and Andy Wood, im sure they would be disgusted by how far rock n roll music has come! Maybe wake up todays rock bands with some inspiration and then kick out the grunge again
Are you guys just waiting on a “rock revolution”? I hope you realize we all have to make this happen, you can’t just wait on some record label or industry insider to be like, “Okay, it’s time.” Those new bands you’re looking for are out there; find the ones you like and support the hell out of them. Don’t just wait for someone to tell you who to listen to.
NickG is right on the money. And for once i completely agree with Billy, he may appear as a huge douchebag at times, but the guy has brains and isn’t afraid to share his opinion.
@Shadows Collide with People
Green Day are nothing more than 40 year old sell-outs that decided they wanted to have a big clothing line in Hot Topic, so they released American Idiot to appease to the teenybopper crowd.
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